It is not a question of take or leave it, it is more a question of knowing facts and acknowledging t hem. It is really unfortunate if people cannot differentiate between Indian culture and ethos [the great Oriental culture] and the white man's [the grand Occidental culture] .
I am not xenophobic when I say this. All of you are well informed or nowadays you people do not require ethnocentric and orthodox grandmothers and grand fathers to impart experience nourished wisdom, which could sometimes also be mere confirmations of their past prejudices and ingrained conditionings, but you people can get well informed from authentic books or get googled to get well informed and updated on all that Bharath and many of the eastern civilization stands for to draw your own conclusions. The basic cultural ethos between Bharath and the Europeans and their culturally castrated offspring the USA is not only very vast [both these continents together form major part of OCCIDENTAL or WESTERN Culture which has made major contributions in many aspects of life especially in technology, material benefits, economic growth, some arts etc but fundamentally from all perspectives totally diametrically opposite to the Oriental Culture. It is too vast a subject on which I can write on each and every aspect of life at least a few volumes. Small example none of their languages have a word for PUNYA[M] the opposite of SIN. Their entire life values are woven around sin and how not to live in sin but they can never talk about PUNYA. It is a known fact that the words in languages evolve out of necessity to express what human beings want to convey to another, sometimes more precisely . That's why the Eskimos have more than 100 words to describe different types of snow and ice. I hope you all understand what I am trying to convey. There are exceptions on both sides I mean Oriental and Occidental. I personally would worship the photos of Adishankara, Ramanamaharishi, JK along with Osho, Guy Murchie Bertrand Russel, Einstein , Le Comte de Nuoy with the same reverence. But that does not mean that I can afford to brush aside facts, it is just good providence that I am an Indian and therefore can have the privilege of tagging on to the great pride of my ancestry .
Now coming to short conclusion if this can be difference between Oriental and Occidental culture and ethos what is there to speak of a breed of people who have been dumped by the world's first worst criminals, Europeans [more precisely Britishers who colonized and looted and killed people across the globe, the Portuguese who started slave trade then followed by the rest of Europe etc ] as moronic criminals for punishment, I mean Australians [ they were the criminals dumped by Britishers] I have some very good internationally renowned scholarly friends from Australia one of whom was shot at by unknown assailants last year [you can see in my face book-PIP WILSON]. He has been doing excellent work as a research for the past many years about how to make a cultural change to effect behavioral changes. He is a born AUSTRALIAN. Even he was not spared after multiple surgeries and almost eight months without being able to open his eyes and see he is back in action slowly. You can visit his portal and see what a great contribution he has been making.
It is an undeniable fact of life that all societies have their own weaknesses but some have weaknesses which are far worse than the rest. Like shit of any species will stink and carry the filth but the shit of a shit eating pig will be the most filthy and infectious.
IN FACT I AM PREPARING A RESEARCH WORK ON NATIONAL PSYCHES AND WHERE EVERY NATION NEEDS TO MAKE AMENDS TO PROGRESS AS A DECENT HUMAN RACE.
OUR SOCIO PSYCHOLOGICAL CULTURE AND INHERENT SOCIAL VALUES AND INNER VALUES REFLECT ON EVERYTHING WE DO. MAHATMA GANDHI never bothered to clean the toilet wherever he used them if he found it was not clean. In the recent past ABDUL KALAM WHEN HE WAS THE PRESIDENT OF INDIA TOOK UNANNOUNCED ROUTE AND MADE AN UNPRECEDENTED AND UNEXPECTED VISIT TO A BED RIDDEN M.S.SUBBHULAKSHMI and GAVE HER THE BHARATH RATNA AWARD
While we all know how fully armed American women soldiers piled up helpless Iraqi soldiers nakedly on one another and chained them and let dogs on them while how we still treat KASAB a terrorist who killed many innocent people.
There are lessons for everyone to learn in every aspect of life even if it happens to be some silly arguments done to vile away time. Australia, yes, they can recover from the bad patch in cricket but where they need to repair really is their basic behavior even when losing. It was atrocious to see Johnson behaving the way he did in the only match he could get some English batsmen out. They need to first get civilized and cultured as 21st century human beings. You could get away with all the frauds some years back, nowadays, in any walk of life you can not fool the world for long because you have the ubiquitous prying cameras everywhere which is enforcing some amount of honesty and also there is the increasing number of educated, well informed and vigilant public with greater accessibility to all means of communication. There are only few exceptions where inefficiency, fraud and superficially continue to ruin like Indian Cabinet. People must have the maturity to accept facts even if they are unpleasant and seem to shatter your long held belief systems, tastes, emotionally attached issues and whatever. If you overlook facts in any aspect of life then you cannot make sensible evaluation much less sane judgments or decisions. This a lesson I think from the whole string of arguments if all of us can take then we would have the maturity to acknowledge the positives in everyone else's view too. Aggressively reacting to either defend or defeat the other person's opinion is the product of excessive adrenal which fails to make sane judgments and lacks sense of humor both of which are major impediments to growth. I am neither supporting X nor opposing Y. But some of the people in the thread must get that equanimity that would help them enhance their calm perception which is vital for life along with adrenal which alone can give the correct and appropriate punch with passion.
So Y while I enjoyed your punches too, I had excess adrenal at your age and still do have more, do not allow your emotional attachment to blind you to see facts. After all we are living in a world where everything is valid until further notice and that has come into even important relationships. Sometimes emotion clouds even very sane heads like Dravid comparing Harbhajan to Sobers. Let us get emotionally attached, let us unleash our adrenal by all means but at the same time let us not become blind to facts. The fact is Australia can bounce back easily in cricket but they need to really rework and work hard on their behavior because that is not in their culture.